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[Taurus]

Smesan je kao bioskop..

[dasdasf]

sve sto bi voleo da vidim je da samo jednim postom pokaze neko znanje...i to je to...

[Taurus]

Djole vala lepo si rekao,svaka cast..   :mol;   lepo si objasnio sve,ali osecam da ce on sada da upadne i da kazhe:

Ma vi nemate pojma,glutamin je najvazhiji,pedja petrovic kaze da je to super,od toga rastu misici itd..

[Taurus]

A to sto postavljam banalna pitanja.. Ljudi ja 3 meseca idem u teretanu,postavio sam pitanje za sve sto me je iole malo zanimalo! Zasto? Pa zato sto zelim SVE da radim kako treba! Ne kazem ja da sam sad neki pametnjakovic DALEKO OD TOGA,ali ono sto sam ja nauchio rado cu podeliti i objasniti drugima da se Igor ne bi cimao da pricha isto po 15 puta.. U svakom sluchaju mislim da je to mnogo bolja solucija nego da pljujem zaista kvalitetne suplimente, na milion postova i da poredim potrebe pedje petrovica sa potrebama mike mikovica koji ima 15 godina i ide u teretanu 2 dana! Ali Boze moj to je samo moje misljenje..

[Taurus]

ovo 75 minuta sam mislio sa zagrevanjem trbusnjacima i presvlacenjem.. Cisto da se razumemo :)

[dasdasf]

ma ok....


bolje pitati i ispasti covek koji zeli nesto da sazna, kod kojeg se vidi da je zainteresovan nego biti velika neznalica i praviti se pametan....to sam i ja radio pre jedno 4-5 god kad sam krenuo u teretanu i kad sam imao 13-14 god...ali detinjstvo mi je proslo, samo sto to kod nekih kasni...

[Taurus]

Upravo to..!

[Nikolans]

Djole :
"samo da te ispravim, trening treba da traje do 45min max jer nevo testosterona naglo opadne posle 45 min cak do 80% i nema svrhe vezbati dalje jer sve posle tog pada je nepotrebno trosenje energije..... a i ako ti trening traje preko 45 min....pa cekaj....znamo da je intezitet najbitniji....ako ti mozes jos posle 45 min da vezbas....tesko da je to bio onda intezivan trening..."

Posle 45 min telo ulazi u strashan katabolizam pa je zato trening pozeljan do toliko minuta.

[Nikolans]

Taurus.

Ne postoje glupa pitanja....i najpametniji pitaju.
Problem je u tome sto dajes odgovore ljudima, a da ni sam nisi siguran u to sto prichas.
Ono sto sam hteo da kazem jeste da mi NE SMETA da pitas, vec mi upada u ochi to sto jako malo znas (ovim ne kazem da ja znam), a kunesh se u sve sto prichas.

Iskreno, moje poverenje zasluzuju neki drugi ljudi na ovom forumu, koje i lichno znam i koje sam sretao na drugim forumima, tako da ja nemam problem sa tvojim postovima.

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Kada sam prochitao par tvojih postova, bio sam ubedjen na trenutak da radish za Xsport, pa sam se zabrinuo da su i oni pocheli (kao neki prodavci suplemenata) da nagovaraju ljude da kupuju glavom bez obzira....
Ali kada sam video da sam pogreshio, shvatio sam da je ljudima iz Xsporta (pogotovo Igoru), pored dobre zarade, bitno i da zaista pomogne ljudima, a ne da im uvali suplemente po svaku cenu. Svaka cast Igore :)

[Vuchina]

I ja isto kazem,svaka cast..
Covek prvo hoce da pomogne,pa tek onda da zaradi...Malo ljudi se moze pohvaliti tom osobinom...

[I G O R]

Hvala, hvala, baš ste me pohvalili... Ja se trudim da budem iskren i realan , nikad nikom nisam rekao smršat ćeš toliko od tog i tog sagorevača, ili dobit ćeš toliko kila od nekog suplementa. Wiliams u nekom postu napisao da sam nekom preporučio AminoBolic (koji naravno preporučuje jer je proizvod više nego dobar) ali sam 100% siguran da mu NISAM obećao da će povećati obim nadlaktice za 1cm ! Pa kako to mogu da obećam kad neznam kako čovek trenira, koliko čega i jede, koliko spava... Uvek i u prodavnici napominjem da mora da se poboljša kvalitet (nekad i kvantitet) hrane da bi se došlo željenog cilja, stalno govorim ljudima da moraju biti realni i da ako je bio debeo zadnjih 10 godina da neće moći da bude definisan za 2-3 meseca, može on da skine kila ali ona definicija kakvi uglavnom ljudi hoće to se stiče godinama. Da je to tako lako  svako ko u gradu ima para bi izgledao kao Stalone, jer koliko god neki to neće da priznaju svi bi voleli da su građeni kao recimo Stalone, Van Dam i sl... a devojkam je najčešće uzor Slađa "Đogani" ili Madona...

[Pedja Petrovic]

Djole vala lepo si rekao,svaka cast..   :mol;   lepo si objasnio sve,ali osecam da ce on sada da upadne i da kazhe:

Ma vi nemate pojma,glutamin je najvazhiji,pedja petrovic kaze da je to super,od toga rastu misici itd..

a sto ti mene rodjace opet stavljas u usta??/

stvarno mi nisi jasan..

to ako ti smtras nesto..to ej tvoja stvar..ja pojma nemam ko je ovaj momak sto se natezete sa njim ovde..

ali mogu kategoricki da tvrdim kao sto sam rekao i na jedniomd rugom forumu..da je GLUTAMIN preko neophodan suplemet kako kod pcoetnika a pogtovo kod profesnolanca u BILO KOJEM SPROTU i poptuno nevazno je sada dali je to bb..!!!!!

to sto e neko gadja nekim glupim studijma...takvih studija ima naptretek naravno pozitvnih.

e sada ako enko smtra da je neki da ga ne nazivam razno raznim imenima vrhinski strucnjak,,zanemarujici cinjenicu da BAS VRHUSNKI STRUCNJACI U KOJE SE TI ISTI KUNU preprucuju upotrebu glutamina u odjrednim dozma ili konreketno od isti u koga se taj kune preprucujeu 50-60 gr denevno....onda ja ne vidim razloga da bi neko drugacije reagovao.

no dobro...

i jos jedna binta cinjenica....ajde da se kaldimo u zivto da niko ovde ko prica KONTRA glutmaina..nije rpobao da u nekom VREMESKOM PERIODU I U DOZMA KOJE SE PREPDUCJU DA GA KORISTI..

onda vrlo jednsotavno pitanje....

od kuda onda ZNANJE DA NE VALJA I DA JE BACANJE PARA....??

zato sto to kaze neka budaletina???

[Pedja Petrovic]

recimo..

SARCEV'S SECRETS TO SUCCESS

Nutrition tips from IFBB pro Milos Sarcev

Q: Many professional bodybuilders claim that they regularly use glutamine. What is so special about this nonessential amino acid? Can't the body synthesize qlutamine from other amino acids?

A: Without a doubt, glutamine is one of the most popular supplements among bodybuilders and competitive athletes. Supplementing with glutamine provides many benefits to bodybuilders. Here are just a few of those benefits.

* Glutamine helps increase the synthesis of muscle protein and helps decrease muscle-protein breakdown.

* It increases secretion of growth hormone, encouraging fat burning.

* It increases the synthesis of glycogen and adenosine triphosphate (ATP).

* It decreases the buildup of fatigue substances, including lactate and ammonia.

* It boosts the immune system.

* Last but not least, it can help raise free testosterone levels.

Needless to say, with all these benefits, glutamine is a critical bodybuilding supplement.

Glutamine is the most abundant free amino acid in muscle tissues. High-intensity weight training and other stressful conditions deplete glutamine levels that are stored in muscles, increasing the need for glutamine production. Although the body can synthesize this amino acid from others, it appears that it doesn't have the capacity to replenish what was lost during intense training or stress. So, even though the body can manufacture the glutamine it needs for basic functioning, it doesn't necessarily manufacture all that it can use for optimal muscle growth and recovery. In my opinion, this makes the amino acid "conditionally essential," rather than nonessential, for bodybuilders.

MENI JE STVARNO SMESNO KADA NEKO IZ FINACISJKKIH RZLOGA KRENE DA SERE PO NECEMU..

naravno da je razmuljvio da nema svako da ulaze toliko i toliko i naravno da to treba postovati..ali to nije VALIDAN RAZLOG DA MOZES DA KAZES DA NEKI SUPLEMETN NE VALJA....I JOS KADA NA TO STO NEMA TAJ ISTI DOVLJNO PARA DA ISPISTUJE TO STO BI TREBALO TJ NIKADA...ALI..NIKADA..NIJE NI RPOBAO SA TIM....PA ONDA NA OSVNOU CEGA ZAKLJUCAK...NA OSVNOU NEKOGA KO LICI NMA VRECU GOVANA???

[Pedja Petrovic]

anticatblic
Anticatabolic #1 Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAA)
What is It 3 amino acids called leucine, isoleucine and valine
How It Works
Nothing is more frustrating for a dieting bodybuilder then eating fewer calories only to fail to “lean out.” While dieting promotes a reduction in body fat, it also can cause a loss of hard earned muscle mass. That’s where BCAA help. BCAA amino acids can be burned as fuel thereby sparing the body from burning its own muscle. The result; you hold muscle while dieting. BCAA’s also help support anabolism- the build-up of muscle tissue. So; you get double support- anti-catabolic and anabolic actions.
How To Use It
3-5 grams before training and another 3-5 grams after training. This used to be the best bet in bodybuilding before the advent of higher dose leucine products.

Anti-Catabolic #2 Leucine
What is It
One of the BCAA’s,. In fact, the most potent and ant-catabolic
How It Works
Leucine can energize working muscles and when muscles have the fuel mix they need, muscles are less likely to be destroyed and broken down. Another interesting tidbit; leucine and also supports insulin release, which prevents muscle breakdown, thereby acting as an anti-catabolic. Recently, MuscleTech developed an even more effective version of leucine called Leukic. Taken as recommended, it probably exerts one of the strongest anti-catabolic effects on the body outside of using anabolic steroids. Leukic increases protein synthesis- the build up of muscle tissue – without the dangerous hormonal effects associated with steroids. It’s become one of the most used supplements in all of sports today.
How To Use It
6 caplets of Leukic will give you 7.2 grams of Leuciine-ketoisocaproic acid.

Anti-Catabolic #3 Arginine and Lysine
What is It
Arginine is one of those amino acids food scientists term “conditionally essential” - meaning it is a “must have” during periods of high stress. Guess what: hardcore training and strict dieting fit that description. Lysine is another amino acid. While lysine by itself doesn’t seem to be a big deal, when combined with arginine, it is very beneficial.
How It Works
Combining the two amino acids increases growth hormone. When that happens the body starts to burn a lot more fat as fuel, leaving protein and muscle reserves unscathed. Arginine can also facilitate blood flow to muscles and greater blood flow triggers the release of chemical messengers in muscles that help protect against muscle breakdown.
How To Use It
3-5 grams of arginine and 3-5 grams of lysine 60 minutes before training.

Anti-Catabolic #4 Glutamine
What is It
Like arginine, it’s one of those amino acids the body needs when under added amounts of stress. A no-brainer; bodybuilding training is extremely stressful, so this is another important nutrient affecting muscle tissue.
How It Works
Boosts the amount of water stored in muscles. Greater water content, generally, helps off set muscle loss and breakdown. It also suppresses cortisol levels and cortisol control is helpful in off setting excessive muscle breakdown and destruction.
How To Use It
A lot of bodybuilders report a dose dependent effect. That is, the more you take, the better. Try 7-12 grams before and another 7-12 grams after training.

Anti-Catabolic #5 Garlic
What is It
This flavorful herb common to Asian, Mediterranean and Middle Eastern cooking has quite a rep going back thousands of years. Turns out, bodybuilders might be able to benefit.
How It Works
Well, we know it’s a great benefit for those hoping to improve heart-health, but from a hardcore bodybuilding perspective, it might offer hormonal support. Animal studies show garlic combined with casein protein results in less cortisol one of the catabolic or “muscle eating” hormones.
How To Use It
40-50 mgs twice daily with a protein meal.

Anti-Catabolic #6 Casein
What is It
Casein is the principle protein in milk, the curd that forms when milk is left to soar.
How It Works
All proteins offers both anabolic and anti-catabolic effects but casein is somewhat unique in that is a longer lasting protein, taking a couple of hours to really reach the blood stream and lingering there for up to 7 hours. The continuous release makes it an ideal night-time source of protein to be taken before bed. When you sleep, you always risk slipping into a catabolic state where muscle tissue is broken down.
How To Use
40-60 grams before bed

Anti-Catabolic #7 Vitamin C
What is It
Water soluble vitamin.
How It Works
Cushions the effects of free radicals, the oxidative compounds released with hardcore training. Unfortunately, free radicals contribute to muscle inflammation and breakdown. C also helps control excessive cortisol levels which can potentially chew up muscle mass.
How To Use 1000 mgs taken in the post training meal

Anti-Catabolic #8 Vitamin E
What is It
Fat Soluble vitamin
How It Works
Helps fight free radical over production that is accompanies with hard training or over-dieting. Over production of free radicals can poke tiny holes in muscle tissue creating a muscle breakdown state. E has been shown to decrease creatine kinase activity, a marker for muscle fiber damage. In short, E protects your muscles.
How To Use
200-400 mgs taken daily with breakfast

[Taurus]

@ Nikola Ns nisam ja ovde da bi nekome kako ti kazes uvaljivao suplimente,ako malo bolje pogledas gde god sam ja pisao o suplimentima radilo se o suplimentima koje koristim ili koje planiram da koristim u skorijem vremenu! Kada neko pita sta bi ti uzeo.. Ja mu kazem JA bi uzeo to i to.. Nikad ja nisam rekao: E BRATE TO TI NE VALJA UZMI OVO..

[Taurus]

I opet kazem pocetniku je bolje da tih 3500 din da za Whey nego da da za glutamin i iza toga cu da stojim..
Lepo bi bilo da svako moze da izdvaja mesecno novac da kupuje full kuru,ali to nije realnost i onda kada treba da se bira izmedju glutamina i wheya,kreatina ili Bcaa pa sigurno da je bolje uzeti ova prva tri!

[dasdasf]

Djole :
"samo da te ispravim, trening treba da traje do 45min max jer nevo testosterona naglo opadne posle 45 min cak do 80% i nema svrhe vezbati dalje jer sve posle tog pada je nepotrebno trosenje energije..... a i ako ti trening traje preko 45 min....pa cekaj....znamo da je intezitet najbitniji....ako ti mozes jos posle 45 min da vezbas....tesko da je to bio onda intezivan trening..."

Posle 45 min telo ulazi u strashan katabolizam pa je zato trening pozeljan do toliko minuta.

nema sta da me ispravljas, ti mozes misic u strasan katabolizam i za 10 min da dovedes... ima tu dosta faktora sto za 45min....nisam mnogo "prostudirao" to zasto i kako jer ja inace ucim onoliko koliko mi je potrebno, znam da ne treba preko 45 min i to je to, to sad sta se sa molekulima i atomima i jonima qrcima palcima tacno desava za to me zabole qrac...ovo za test je dovoljan razlog zasto treba da se prestane....meni treninzi obicno trajaju max 35 min...

[Nikolans]

Ako te ne interesuje i ako mislis da je to dovoljno sto znas, super tebi.

[dasdasf]

@ Naduveni

Eto sad je pedja postavio nesto sto dokazuje njegove tvrdnje (kao sto si ti spomenuo) i ono sto si ti govorio o njemu (mada ja stvarno ne znam sto je on uvucen u ovu raspravu ovoliko), e sad Markoni je postavio svoje tvrdnje crno na belo i pedja je postavio svoje tvrdnje crno na belo....sad u sta ces ti da verujes to je tvoja stvar, ali nemas prava da omalovazavas tudja misljenja...

cisto da razjasnim neke stvari, ja i sam koristim glutamin i nigde nisam napisao da sam protiv njegove upotrebe niti ga pljujem niti ga hvalim...


@ Pedja

koliko mi se cini i Dr.John Berardi je "protivnik" Glutamina (ispravi me ako se varam jer u ovo nisam bas siguran)







Moje misljenje o glutaminu je (zbog velikih neslaganja dali valja, dali ne) da to bude Suplement tek posle Whey-a, Mutlivitaminerala, Leucina, Kreatina

[dasdasf]

Ako te ne interesuje i ako mislis da je to dovoljno sto znas, super tebi.

mislim da ako neko ne zeli da se bavi profesionalno necim da o tome nema potrebe da toliko ulazi u te stvari....