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[BUKAS]

U toku kure moze se desiti da dobijete simptome prehlade ili gripa, to se naziva serum sickness ili test flu. Ima iste simptome kao grip i prehlada i zna dosta cesto ad se desi. To je u stvari reakcija vaseg organizam na oderdjeni lek. Ne treba se puno brinuti oko toga i treba nastaviti sa ciklusom, siptomi obicno traju oko 2 nedelje. U medicini se za lecenje serum sickness-a koristi ketotifen 50-150mg a doza za odrzavanje 10- 50mg.

[Velja]

Pogotovo poznat kod upotrebe sustanona, pa se cak i zove sus-flu

[BUKAS]

Pogotovo poznat kod upotrebe sustanona, pa se cak i zove sus-flu

To se meni desilo prosle godine, ali malo drugacije od opisanog 5 dana me drazalo pa prestalo pa opet 3-4 dana pa prestalo i nije se pojavilo vise...ali ne sa sust nikad ga nsiam uzimao niti cu ;)

[Velja]

pa desava se...pogotovo kod UG labova, vjerovatno zbog ulja i dodataka koji se stavljaju zbog konzerviranja same supstance...a ako naletis na fals, moze bas biti svasta

[I G O R]

pa desava se...pogotovo kod UG labova, vjerovatno zbog ulja i dodataka koji se stavljaju zbog konzerviranja same supstance...a ako naletis na fals, moze bas biti svasta

da, da kod UG Labsa.. Recimo znam da Sustanon od Diamonda stvara toliko bolove i otoke na mestu ubrizgavanja da uglavnom vecina ljudi prekine sa njim...

Bukas@ Odlicna tema, ajd pronadji jos nesto o tome, pozeljno na srpskom...

[BUKAS]

pa desava se...pogotovo kod UG labova, vjerovatno zbog ulja i dodataka koji se stavljaju zbog konzerviranja same supstance...a ako naletis na fals, moze bas biti svasta

da, da kod UG Labsa.. Recimo znam da Sustanon od Diamonda stvara toliko bolove i otoke na mestu ubrizgavanja da uglavnom vecina ljudi prekine sa njim...

Bukas@ Odlicna tema, ajd pronadji jos nesto o tome, pozeljno na srpskom...

Znam decka npr koji je dobio abces od cut stacka diamondovog onda oxide-ov propionat takodje stvara teskobe prilikom primanja..
Hocu hocu ma sve i da nadjem na eng prevescu nije problem ;)

[BUKAS]

'Sustanon flu' or 'sus flu' is a fairly common occurrence when using testosterone. The problem has been given this name by some users who experience flu-like symptoms upon commencing a testosterone cycle. It's worth noting that this problem is primarily associated with short esterified testosterones such as Propionate (including Sustanon which include a Prop/Phenylprop ester), though is possible in reality from any testosterone ester. Although there are varying opinions which suggest a cause for this issue, the properties and effects of testosterone metabolite Etiocholanone make it appear particularly plausible. Etiocholanone is a pyrogen and elevations in circulatory levels are associated with feverish effects. Propionate as we know is a fast acting ester resulting in a rapid elevation in testosterone and thus etiocholanone levels. It's certainly possible that this rapid increase results in some users experiencing flu-like symptoms during the early stages of a cycle.

Evo nasao sam nesto ali ne znam bas tacno da prevedem, uglavnom sam shvatio da se sus flu ili test flu moze najcesce desiti zbog propionata u sustanonu, ili od samog propa i brzeg estra, ali nije iskljuceno dobijanje gripe i zbog drugih estara. Ako neko moze da tacno prevede bilo bi dobro.

[BUKAS]

a natural defense mechanism - to the sudden increase in exogenous hormone levels. Its the body's way of trying to "flush" out the foreign entity it perceives is there (just as it does w/ a flu virus). There has also been some connection between high BA content and immune response. think the combination of sudden increased hormone levels and a foreign substance being injected into the muscle can cause these symptoms. Some people are sensitive, some arent. Certain people don’t experience it at all and some might just get mild chills (low grade fever) or a runny nose for a few days and not even take much note of it.

etiocholanolone represents only about 20% of the metabolites of testosterone in people. Maybe folks who experience this reaction to testosteone have particularly high levels of 17 beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, the enzyme that converts testosterone into etiocholanolone. Or an isoform of the enzyme that makes the conversion more efficient.

Etiocholanolone is believed to produce fever and flu-like aches and pains because it induces the systemic release of Interleukin-1, a powerful proinflammatory cytokine:

Pyrogenicity of etiocholanolone and interleukin-1 in New and Old World Monkeys.


Etiocholanolone (5beta-androstan-3alpha-ol-17-one; designated E) is one of the major products of metabolism of testosterone and androstenedione (androst-4-ene-3,17-dione) in many mammalian species, including humans. E and several other 5beta-reduced steroids have been found to induce fever in humans. The pyrogenic effect of these steroids has been shown to be due to the release of interleukin-1 (IL-1) from the leukocytes that are mobilized in response to the steroid injections. Old World Monkeys such as Rhesus monkeys (Macaca mu/atta), metabolize androgens similarly to humans, and E is a normal metabolite. However, New World Monkeys such as Squirrel monkeys (Saimiri sciureus), lack hepatic 5alpha- and 5beta-steroid reductases and excrete androgens primarily in an unaltered state; E is not produced. Therefore, we postulate that Squirrel monkeys likewise may have lost the ability to respond to 17-ketosteroids such as E. To test this hypothesis, adult male Rhesus and Squirrel monkeys were treated with E, and their rectal temperatures were recorded over a 24-hr period. Rhesus monkeys exhibited a rise of up to 3 degrees F following E injection. Squirrel monkeys, on the other hand, did not exhibit any increase in rectal temperature over the 24-hr period, even when doses up to 250 times the effective human dose were used. However, both species responded to injected IL-1alpha with a robust increase in rectal temperature. The data show that E is pyrogenic in Rhesus, but not Squirrel monkeys. The findings support the notion that injected E may induce release of IL-1 in Rhesus monkeys, but not in Squirrel monkeys
     
Evo jos jedan clanak ali mi je na razumljiv totalno ima puno "naucnih" izraza..
   
 
 

[ogi92]

nece biti u rec tacno nisam jak u "poslovnom engleskom ali ucimo se " ...
PRVI TEKST "GRIP" SUSTANONA
 
Sustanon grip je uobicajena pojava kada se koristi test. Problem je dobio takvo ime od strane  korisnika koji imaju simptome gripa kao sto je na pocetku ciklusa sa testosteronom. treba  napomenuti da  ovaj problem prvenstveno  vazi za kratke estre  testosterona, kao sto je PROPIONAT (ali i sustanon koji sadrzi / PHENILPROP ESTER), ali moguce je od bilo kog estra testosterona .
Iako postoje razlicita misljenja koje sugerisu razlog za ovo pitanje, svojstva i dejstva testosterona METABOLIT ETHIOCHOLALONE  bi se pojavila verovatno.

Etiocholanone je bla bla neznam da prevedem . Propionat kao sto znamo je brzodelujuci ester ,rezultat brzog  testosterona i na taj način etiocholanone levels.(neznam koji je bukvalni prevod). To je svakako moguce jer dolazi do naglog porasta rezultata i neki korisnici doživljavaju grip poput simptoma u ranoj fazi ciklusa...

ovaj drugi tekst je malo komplikovaniji to cu popodne nemam sad vremena....bukas curice!!!!!! 

[BUKAS]

To Ogi gejaro, sve prevedi sto znas a te strucne izraze ostavi pa cu ja da sve slozim...